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The Ogden Party is ON.

(originally launched int cyberspace on 03/15/2003)

Dear List Subscriber,

I'm back. I was just communing with alligators for a few days.

The Ogden party is ON for April 15th! However, there is a lot of work to do
to make it actually happen, and I have neither the knowledge, resources, or
time to make it happen by myself. It should be fairly easy to get the word
out about it, but we have to be able to physically GET PEOPLE THERE.

This is the biggest challenge, since Ogden, Utah, isn't exactly next door to
most of us. (It's at least a couple thousand miles from me.) Those who can
afford airfare for such a thing, great. But a lot can't. I'm guessing that
a small fleet of chartered busses from various places is the most economical
way to go. After a bit of research, it looks like a bus holding 50 people
costs about $1000 a day. That's pretty dang expensive if ONE person is
paying for it, but that's only $20 a day if 50 people split it.

Again, I am NOT able to orchestrate the whole endeavor to get people there
(by bus or any other method). For those who can get themselves there,
great. For those who need to pool resources, we'll need some organization.
Here is what I think we need--and we need it to happen pretty quickly, since
we only have a month to do it:

1) A few people to "recon" the Ogden offices of the IRS, first of all to
find out if the "1160 West 1200 South" and "Rulon White Blvd" addresses are
the same place (or even close); to get maps and/or pictures of the place so
we can figure out exactly WHERE to have the party; to get any necessary
permits for doing it, etc. (Yes, we need a "permit" to peacably assemble,
even though the Constitution says it's a RIGHT. Hmmmm.)

2) Various individuals to arrange chartering busses from difference places:
maybe one or two from California, one from south of Ogden, a couple from the
east, or whatever we need to get the people there who want to be. The first
thing is to find out how many people we're looking at, at least for
starters. Maybe the best way is to split it into bus routes like this:

North of Ogden (through WA, OR, and ID)
West of Ogden (through CA and NV)
South and Southeast (through TX, NM, and AZ)

From the east will be tricky, because the farther away people are, the less
likely they are to attempt the trip (especially by bus). We'll just have to
see what people are willing to do.

If you want to figure out some other method (maybe a chartered plane from
Florida, if it's not too ridiculously expensive), then chime in.

For right now, I'm looking to quickly get volunteers for the following

1) RECON TEAM (maybe three or four people close to Ogden)
3) COORDINATOR FROM NORTH OF OGDEN (one to three people)
4) COORDINATOR FROM WEST OF OGDEN (one to three people)
6) COORDINATOR FROM EAST OF OGDEN (three to six people)

Notice, this is NOT asking who all wants to come. AFTER I get volunteers
for the above, then I'll post them to this list, so people can find out who
they should be contacting in their area to be included. (My next message
will also get into the purpose of the "party," the agenda, etc.)


Larken Rose
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What Flavor of Freedom?

(originally launched into cyberspace on 03/06/2003)

Dear List Subscriber,

There are a couple flavors of "freedom," or at least things people CALL

1) One is that of the runaway slave. He has escaped his "owner" for the
time being, but must spend his life hiding, always afraid of being caught.

2) The other is that of a people who have expelled a tyrant from their
lands. They can live open, honest, proud lives.

I don't know about you, but I'm not settling for flavor #1.

I continue to get e-mails from people, saying how they just got some IRS
form letter demanding money, threatening nasty things, etc., and asking how
they should proceed. Yes, there are some things to do that are better than
others (but I'm not in the business of telling people what they are), but
the overall attitude is a bit discouraging. It is the attitude of runaway

Of course, it is perfectly justified for a runaway slave to try to evade
capture, and it is perfectly justifiable for each individual to try to avoid
being robbed by the IRS of money they don't owe. But is that good enough?
Is that the fight we should spend our lives on? Is THAT where our efforts
should go, and what our goal should be? Should we each be hiding in a
corner somewhere, hoping "massah" won't find us? Is that the best we can

One particularly horrible aspect of oppression is that it trains the spirit
out of people. It doesn't just steal their labor; it steals their HEART.
Many slaves, when freed, don't know what to DO with their freedom. (The
Soviet Union is a good example, too.) When you've accepted that
subservience is just how life is, you "forget" how to OWN YOURSELF. In
short, you lose what it is that makes you human, and you degenerate into a
mere beast of burden who exists to serve his owners.

If you don't yet understand the income tax deception, study. If you DO
understand it, stop asking how to respond to IRS Letter XYZ, and start
figuring out how YOU are going to TEAR THE FRAUD DOWN. Don't look for a
good place to hide from "massah"; look for a stick to use to WHOOP MASSAH'S
REAR END! (I had to keep it clean for mom. Hi, mom!)

When I look at the "tax honesty movement," I see a bunch of slave-mentality
hiders. They want a lawsuit, or some plea to make to the next bureaucrat
who harasses them. "Please, massah, tell me I'm free... if it's not too
much trouble, massah." Why are you asking HIM? Where in history is there
any indication that asking an oppressor to stop oppressing does any good?
"Golly gee, the Tax Court said the 861 evidence was frivolous." No kidding.
What ELSE would they say? "Gosh, guess we missed that... sorry about that."

Since I'm pure cracker/honky, it's politically incorrect for me to even
mention slavery. Tough. But I'll let a former slave tell you the same

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will.
Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact
amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these
will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with
both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom
they suppress." - Frederick Douglas

If your goal is to hide, then I wish you luck, but your goal and mine have
nothing in common. If your goal is REAL freedom, where there isn't anyone
to hide FROM any more, then let's get to work. I know a whole lot of you
are in this fight, and ready to rip this fraud out by the roots. And I know
that lots of others want to wait around and see what OTHER people can

Right now we have a chance to get a big "massah" out of our lives
permanently. Are you willing to do what it takes to make it happen?

I'll talk to you all again in a week or so. Until then, live free or die.


Larken Rose
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Ogden Party

(originally launched into cyberspace on 03/04/2003)

Dear List Subscriber,

You won't be hearing much from me for a couple weeks. (Don't worry,
everything is fine.)

I think the party on April 15th in Ogden, Utah, is on. However, we still
need more people. I'd like about 100 more people to commit in the next
couple weeks. So here's the deal: I will announce on March 15th whether the
party is on for April 15th, based on the response I get before that.

If we are on by then, we'll start setting the details and hyping it in
different places. We'll also start figuring out how to best get people
there who want to go but don't have a zillion dollars for airfare. I know a
couple people said they'd donate mullah to help make it happen, and I'm
thinking of maybe chartering a bus or two... or three. Heck, maybe even a
plane, though I'm guessing that's pretty dang expensive.

Anyway, first we have to make sure enough people will go that it's worth the
effort to organize and plan (and fund) the whole thing. So if you can make
it, speak up. (If you already told me so, please do NOT speak up again, or
I'll lose track of which is which.) This should be fun.


Larken Rose
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SC metions 1.861-8

[originally launched into cyberspace on 03/04/2003)[/i]

Dear List Subscriber,

The Supreme Court case about Boeing, which mentioned 861 (though not in any
particularly interesting context) is over. As I said before the ruling
really had nothing relevant to the 861 evidence in it, since it was only
about which rule to use to apportion R&D expenses for a DISC. You can see
the ruling here:

But while the actual point of the case wasn't of interest, it is fun to have
the Supreme Court saying this:

"[I]n promulgating 26 CFR §1.861-8 (1979), the Secretary of the Treasury
exercised his rulemaking authority under 26 U. S. C. §7805(a), which gives
the Secretary general authority to "prescribe all needful rules and
regulations for the enforcement" of the Internal Revenue Code... Even if we
regard the challenged regulation as interpretive because it was promulgated
under §7805(a)'s general rulemaking grant rather than pursuant to a specific
grant of authority, we must still treat the regulation with deference."

Hmmm... maybe someone should tell David Cay Johnston that. It was nice that
the case REINFORCED what was said in U.S. v. Correll--and half a zillion
other cases--which is that the courts are to adhere to any regulation which
is a "reasonable" interpretation of the statute, even if IT WOULDN'T HAVE
BEEN THEIR interpretation. Here is another case demonstrating that:

"When faced with a problem of statutory construction, this Court shows great
deference to the interpretation given the statute by the officers or agency
charged with its administration. "To sustain the Commission's application of
this statutory term, we need not find that its construction is the only
reasonable one, or even that it is the result we would have reached had the
question arisen in the first instance in judicial proceedings." [UDALL v.
TALLMAN, 380 U.S. 1 (1965)]

It seems that the Supreme Court thinks the regulations under 861, section
1.861-8 in particular, actually matter. Too bad no one in the media, or in
the IRS seems to think so. Never fear. That will change.


Larken Rose
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Yahoo! Censorship?

(originally launched into cyberspace on 02/28/2003)

Dear List Subscriber,

I just got word from someone who wouldn't make it up and who should know
that Yahoo has just cancelled all discussion groups having anything to do
with 861. I haven't personally participated in them much, but if you are
among those who have, and you suddenly can't get them to work, it may be
that the yahoos at Yahoo don't approve of THAT sort of discussion.

I'll let you know if and when I have confirmation of what actually happened.
Until then, you'll just have to discuss something more socially-acceptable
than tax law. You could try the 2771 Yahoo discussion groups about womens'
(fake) wrestling. Think I'm kidding?

I just thought I'd quick see what Yahoo is proud to host, since we're
obviously below their standards. (I was considering giving more specific
examples of what Yahoo thinks is just fine... but my standards aren't that


Larken Rose
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The Yahoo! Mystery Continued

(originally launched into cyberspace on 02/28/2003)

Dear List Subscriber,

I'm getting reports now that the 861 Yahoo lists are still functioning,
which is odd because last night I got a couple confirmations that they were
down. Whether they were very quickly "uncensored," or whether the whole
thing was a technical problem, I don't know yet. I'll let you know if I
ever find out.

Larken Rose
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